FCServer Alternatives

mineapollo's picture

What alternatives will y'all be exploring post-FCServer?

M

scarbs's picture

I doubt that there is any alternative out there right now but I trust that 3rd party developers will quickly create additional automation and media asset management options for Final Cut Pro X. Quite a few things like custom metadata and a proxy workflow is already in FCP-X and that's just the beginning.

mark raudonis's picture

CATdv.

http://www.squarebox.co.uk/

There are both individual licenses and a server client setup. It's a great program.

Of course with the new FCP- X all bets are off. If you're talking about interaction with FCP 7.0 CATdv is a great choice. Don't know enough about "X" to make a recommend. Probably doesn't work now, since XML as we know it is dead in FCP-X.

Mark

abstractrude's picture

I talked to someone extremely knowledgeable in the FCPX development world. The plugin architecture will solve almost all the issues. I think once apple gets some stuff fixed and we see plugins, fcpx is gonna be a great tool. 12-24 months.
but then again all bets are off :)

-Trevor Carlson
THUMBWAR

mineapollo's picture

I wasn't too impressed the first time I checked out CatDV, maybe its worth another look now. I had 3 Final Cut Server implementations in the pipe for this year! Oh dear!

Last thing remaining to be axed is XSan by the looks of it.

ogminlo's picture

All bets are off till there is a FCPX successor to the old XML interchange. CatDV, everything else, relies on XML to read project data. Supposedly one is coming, but no known timeline.

JSamuel's picture

mineapollo wrote:
I had 3 Final Cut Server implementations in the pipe for this year! Oh dear!/quote

You can still deploy them (maybe..) as the software is EOL but many people will still support it - you just havn't got a chance in hell of anyone fixing it's current pitfalls nor anyone helping should a Java update b0rk it.

mineapollo wrote:
Last thing remaining to be axed is XSan by the looks of it./quote

I would hope (...) that's a little while yet, mainly as there is a lot of money tied up in the Xsan deployments around the world, and I suspect Apple quite enjoy their recurring Xsan APP revenue for each and every seat.

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ogminlo's picture

JSamuel wrote:

mineapollo wrote:
Last thing remaining to be axed is XSan by the looks of it./quote

I would hope (...) that's a little while yet, mainly as there is a lot of money tied up in the Xsan deployments around the world, and I suspect Apple quite enjoy their recurring Xsan APP revenue for each and every seat./quote

Or rather, the fact that they are including Xsan in every single copy of Lion at no additional cost. Why do that if you are killing it? Seems to me they want more people to use it, and perhaps there is even some neato Thunderbolt stuff coming that will make Xsan even more affordable.

mark raudonis's picture

Still deploy FCserver? You're kidding right?

Who would pay for that. It's throwing good money after bad.

TuberMagPico's picture

FCSvr for FCP6/7 Workflows, still a valid(good) option...
but it's just a matter of time for something to just slide before the sun.

mineapollo's picture

mark raudonis wrote:
Still deploy FCserver? You're kidding right?

Who would pay for that. It's throwing good money after bad./quote

Weirdly enough (no sarcasm there) two out of my 3 clients are going ahead with the installation saying that for the size of their production, they are not going to move away from FCP7 any time within the next 2 years at least. And the workflows available answer a pressing need they have.

Who woulda thought!

handygeek's picture

Reposting this from Matthew Stamos @ CreativeCOW.net. This will make a lot of folks happy. Easy migration from FCsvr to CatDV.

http://www.squarebox.co.uk/fcsimport.html

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HandyGeek
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mineapollo's picture

handygeek wrote:
Reposting this from Matthew Stamos @ CreativeCOW.net. This will make a lot of folks happy. Easy migration from FCsvr to CatDV.

http://www.squarebox.co.uk/fcsimport.html/quote

I read this yesterday on a french blog. I wonder if CATDV will support all the workflows correctly as I understand the feature set is not exactly the same...any experienced users out there?

majo's picture

Hi!
I've started a thread specifically regarding CatDV today :-)

http://www.xsanity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14353

boblenon's picture

Just head of Strawberry - from Flavorsys:

http://www.flavoursys.com/

Does an interesting file level hiding/unhiding of media on shared storage. Works with FCP, Avid and others.

I guess they are working with Rorke Data too.

matx's picture

boblenon wrote:
Just head of Strawberry - from Flavorsys:

http://www.flavoursys.com/

Does an interesting file level hiding/unhiding of media on shared storage. Works with FCP, Avid and others.

I guess they are working with Rorke Data too./quote

I just helped out with a Strawberry install and it is very different from Final Cut Server.

It is an amazing solution for Avid users (mac or pc) who want to open multiple projects, share projects with other editors and work in organized teams...

The origins of Strawberry are from a Berlin TV station.

I think it's still a new solution which is showing lots of potential.

It doesn't transcode media, it doesn't store the media for you, it doesn't have proxy or thumbnails. It's not Final Cut Server.

Strawberry shares projects, and lets you open other ppl projects read only. And that it does well.

macalex101's picture

Here are some potential alternatives to Final Cut Server that I found at the recently held Broadcast Expo in London. I don't recommend, I don't not recommend and I have no in depth knowledge of any of them. As my organisation is exploring what we might replace Final Cut Server with I thought it might be helpful to share what I found.

Cat DV http://www.squarebox.co.uk/
Content Agent http://www.root6technology.com/products/ContentAgent/index.html
Dalet http://www.dalet.com/
EditShare http://www.editshare.com/
Fork http://www.b4m.com/
Front Porch Digital http://fpdigital.com/
ioGATES https://www.filmflip.com/home/filmflip
Portfolio Server http://www.extensis.com/en/digital-asset-management/portfolio-server-10/...
ProxSys http://www.focusinfo.com/solutions/digital_asset_management.asp

All ususal disclaimers apply

TuberMagPico's picture

Added to your List should be the Levels Beyond Reach Engine [url]http://www.levelsbeyond.com//url

matx's picture

Andre Aulich has a good article on this topic and a short list of suggestions, as well:

http://www.andre-aulich.de/en/perm/future-of-final-cut-pro-x-xsan-os-x-s...

Notably he mentions:

Cantemo MediaBox,
FlavourSys Strawberry and
SquareBox CatDV

matx's picture

matx wrote:
Andre Aulich has a good article on this topic and a short list of suggestions, as well:

http://www.andre-aulich.de/en/perm/future-of-final-cut-pro-x-xsan-os-x-s...

Notably he mentions:

Cantemo MediaBox,
FlavourSys Strawberry and
SquareBox CatDV/quote

Cantemo MediaBox was renamed. It is now Cantemo Portal (the same name as their enterprise version).

Both Andre Aulich and Matt Geller are working Portal now. Seems very promising. No, Portal is not Final Cut Server. But it has many useful features, and it is enterprise friendly (server room and IT friendly).

It doesn't do project sharing, at least not yet. For that feature check out strawberry or focal point server.

It does integrate with Premiere, FCP 7 and FCP X. It works in a web browser. It is SAN friendly.

Andre Aulich has written supported apps for migrating Final Cut Server, and integrating with Archiware PresSTORE. Pretty cool.

References:

1. Cantemo Portal

http://www.cantemo.com

2. Andre Aulich's page supporting Portal

http://moosystems.com

3. Matt Geller's Portal page

http://mmct.com/portal/