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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:45 am    Post subject: Avoiding Professional Obsolescence Reply with quote

With the end of the Xserve some of us are considering a few small repairs to the way we operate. Please use this thread to brainstorm new ideas. Perhaps the best (or easiest!) will turn into permanent features on Xsanity.

Here are some ideas to kick this off.

In its infancy, Xsanity helped define the standard Xsan install that we know so well: two Xserves, QLogic, Xserve RAID, Open Directory, DNS, Clients. What will the Mac SAN of the future look like? Would a wiki help us define this?

Is the standard MDC of the future a Linux box? I remember an O'Reilly book called "Mac for Unix Geeks." Is it time for a "Unix for Mac Geeks?" Where do you get training for this?

Please comment and add your own ideas.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:37 am    Post subject: Xsan without Xserves as MDCs Reply with quote

I suspect Apple will suggest that workstations be MDCs in any future versions of Xsan. Doing that lowers the cost of entry for Xsan which is part of what Apple is all about with their professional products.
Future versions of Xsan may automatically take steps to 'harden' a workstation for MDC use but until that day comes I think it would be helpful to identify what needs to be done in that direction. Applying MCX to prevent network interface changes for instance.
As far as the network services go, I think recommending two mini servers to be configured in tandem should be standard. LDAP and DNS can be replicated across them.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the more i thought about this last night i realized that this actually increases your professional pull in this environment. final cut pro will be updated and you will need xsan. you will need stornext controllers and yada yada.

then again maybe not. avid unity supports final cut now. edit share will always be second rate ethernet crap.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:58 pm    Post subject: Have Faith Reply with quote

Who knows!! Active Storage might save the day with maybe a new server line-up as they have done with XRAID and innerpool.

reading the following quote from Alex gross man newsletter gives me faith

"Active Storage has some exciting things in the works that will shape the broadcast, post-production and creative professional market for years to come"
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, the video codec world is a proprietary one, otherwise I'd turn to Linux like I can for StorNext MDCs. I may just need to focus entirely on storage in general and StorNext in particular. Even if that means frequently serving the media industry with storage, it isn't the shift to asset management I've found so satisfying with FCSvr the past two years.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:26 am    Post subject: Promise VT S3000 Reply with quote

During IBC there was a hummingbird, at the time I thought Why?

Does anyone see a place for this new Promise VT S3000 product?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Avoiding Professional Obsolescence Reply with quote

aaron wrote:

In its infancy, Xsanity helped define the standard Xsan install that we know so well: two Xserves, QLogic, Xserve RAID, Open Directory, DNS, Clients. What will the Mac SAN of the future look like? Would a wiki help us define this?


For film & television postproduction, I believe the future looks like Avid's "edit anywhere" technology preview. For general storage it looks a lot like Amazon's S3 service.

Apple is a company that will kill declining technology before the rest of the world is ready. If the future is "the cloud" then why develop and support the stopgap?

I've expanded on these ideas at my blog: dustyngobler.com/category/blog/
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If even FCP would had to go, I'm thinking about Edius solution. Recent versions have very interesting features, like native mxf editing, direct video server connection, etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: Avoiding Professional Obsolescence Reply with quote

aaron wrote:


Is the standard MDC of the future a Linux box? I remember an O'Reilly book called "Mac for Unix Geeks." Is it time for a "Unix for Mac Geeks?" Where do you get training for this?

Please comment and add your own ideas.


I agree, I think we need to seriously start thinking about Linux for the MDC's And perhaps have a couple of MacMini's for the OD master and replica. So the easy part of the configuring users and such stays available to even non-tech users.... But I will get harder to configure the Linux box to "get" OD, and setting the ACL's gonna be a challenge....

Pricewise, it will be more, but this is to be expected..... But better a slightly more expansive MDC, than to kick the complete SAN out.... And replace it by HP SAN or such items....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: Avoiding Professional Obsolescence Reply with quote

With Mac OS X Lion coming next year, this makes me wonder about future upgrades to the Xsan software. I wonder if Apple is going to officially turn it over to a third party like it did with the Xserve RAID. I agree that StorNext may be the future.
We are still on XSAN 1.4 with Xserve RAIDS and were finally planning a costly full upgrade for next year. Now, this makes everything very uncertain.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ogminlo wrote:
Unfortunately, the video codec world is a proprietary one, otherwise I'd turn to Linux like I can for StorNext MDCs. I may just need to focus entirely on storage in general and StorNext in particular. Even if that means frequently serving the media industry with storage, it isn't the shift to asset management I've found so satisfying with FCSvr the past two years.


To what codec are you referring? If it's ProRes, why does that make any difference where the SAN is concerned? Final Cut Server, no matter what codec your editors use, operates only on OSX or OSX Server - regardless of whether your storage is a SAN or Local-attached. This won't change if and when you change your MDCs to StorNext.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: Avoiding Professional Obsolescence Reply with quote

lowbudgetfun wrote:

Apple is a company that will kill declining technology before the rest of the world is ready. If the future is "the cloud" then why develop and support the stopgap?


I don't see how the cloud has any place in media management other than for deliverables, which is where most folks host media already - whether they know it or not.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone tried SANmp? They have a free trial for an unlimited number of stations. Might give it a try in our sandbox here.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

handygeek wrote:
Has anyone tried SANmp? They have a free trial for an unlimited number of stations. Might give it a try in our sandbox here.


"•No server or metadata controller needed"

That's interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, thanks for starting this thread, Aaron. I'm still reeling a bit from last week and it caused a few interesting discussions here at work that I'm sure will turn into meetings soon.
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